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Teen Challenge Exposed!
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01-09-2007, 6:45 PM |
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john_burns_sucks
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A former Teen Challenge student exposes this abusive Christian alcohol and drug program. Although seen by many as a worthwhile organization, Teen Challenge has a dark side, one of pathological abuse and an obsession with the almighty dollar.
http://www.teenchallengeexposed.com
Michael Kincheloe
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02-01-2007, 12:51 AM |
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Bace
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Re: Teen Challenge Exposed!
Unless you know someone personally, who has actually gone through the program, please keep your mouth shut.
I have an uncle who would probably be dead from heroin abuse if not for Teen Challenge. My uncle had to go through the program twice and is now an ordained Minister. Do not tell me that this program doesn't work. I have first hand knowledge that it does. I have also had 2 friends that have had drug problems that I have recommended to the program and have come out clean and have stayed clean for 5 plus years. So unless you have anything first hand to combat this, please shut your mouth...
Thank you and good day.
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02-14-2007, 10:32 PM |
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Pathfinder
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Re: Teen Challenge Exposed!
Bace makes a good point. Tell me, do you have first hand experience? Or know someone?
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02-26-2007, 6:39 PM |
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creepycat
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Re: Teen Challenge Exposed!
I am not sure there is a problem in Teen Challenge. I don't have
much to do with it but people I have met that have gone through the
program or involved with it are making a sincere effort to better
themselves and their community.
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03-15-2007, 6:36 PM |
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karly
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Re: Teen Challenge Exposed!
Not sure what to think about Teen Challenge? Visit both of these websites and decide for yourselves!
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04-18-2007, 8:51 PM |
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steel_n_drake
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Re: Teen Challenge Exposed!
I went through the program in Hot Springs 10 years ago. Without that program I would not be alive today. All the centers are different and some are even bad. The one I attended was very hard but worth every bit of it!
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05-07-2007, 9:37 PM |
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john_burns_sucks
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Re: Teen Challenge Exposed!
I've been told that there are some good TC locations. Hot Springs may be one of them. Shafter and Riverside are insane asylums, and I've been told that Pensacola and Sanford, FL are just as bad. Midland, TX is another with a terrible reputation, as is Lebanon, OR (I used to live there. The whole town should be nuked).
Glad to hear that you found a good one. Thanks for your feedback.
Michael Kincheloe
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07-25-2007, 11:34 AM |
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john_burns_sucks
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The owner of the building that was to be sold and leased to Teen Challenge canceled escrow, due in no small part to editorials like this one, which was in response to a letter to the editior written by me telling the good people of Eureka what Teen Challenge is really like, as opposed to the facade they present to the public.
Rehab facility raises ethical questions |
| by Bradley Mack, McKinleyville, 7/4/2007 |
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Originally, I believed there was nothing to be concerned about if Eureka allowed the controversial Teen Challenge organization to build its Wabash facility, on the condition that they begin with 10 beds instead of 50 and report to the City Council once or twice a year regarding any stressed neighbor issues. But after reading the “Former member talks about abusive ministry” letter in your June 26 edition, I’m having second thoughts.
Pardon me for continuing to refer to our long-lost Constitution, but doesn’t the 13th Amendment say something about U.S. citizens being protected from slavery and involuntary servitude, “except as a punishment for crime”? However, Michael Kincheloe states, “If you cannot make money for the (Teen Challenge) ministry, you are dumped at the bus station”? Nice.
It might be helpful to point out that this money-making business arrangement is the complete opposite of the well-managed Arcata and Multiple Assistance Center House transitional housing programs. Clients there are required to have a paying job or a steady Supplemental Security Income prior to moving in, and they save their money. Counseling is also mandatory and, along with participating in community activities, members are frequently encouraged to get involved in religious/spiritual programs of their choice.
In comparison, if Teen Challenge doesn’t permit its members to keep 90 percent or more of their earnings, and desires to force its neocon style of Christianity onto its participants — well, I’d have to say, as Michael explained, its administration is mostly in it for “the almighty dollar.”
The idea of “breaking” (basically, lowering a person’s self-esteem until they have to agree, or confusing them until they can’t comprehend right from wrong) members into conforming to the Teen Challenge agenda doesn’t sound all that great either. It’s too symptomatic of the world’s overly oppressive, out-of-control military-industrial complex.
And a police state, coupled with industrial domination of commerce and politics, doesn’t belong in any sustainable and just community, state or country. While thwarting democracy, the arrangement continues making our world violent and volatile. And who wants that?
One last point for the City Council: In Eureka and America, the majority is supposed to be in charge of law and regulation making, not only special interests. And particularly not only wealthy special interests who have acquired their money by, along with private donations, exploiting and manipulating indigents or the less fortunate into providing Teen Challenge’s financial stability.
Except for the amazingly wise for his age Councilmember Chris Kerrigan, y’all are walking a fine line here ethically. I mean, didn’t you take an oath to uphold the Constitution, and didn’t our supposed leader, “mission-accomplished” George, say he’s “spreading democracy” as he prolongs his barbaric Iraqi petro-war?
Kudos to Sue Brandenburg, Ann White and the many other concerned citizens for speaking out at the council meeting and looking into the legality of all this stressful stuff. Maybe there are other former Teen Challengers out there willing to write a letter to the editor? | |
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Michael Kincheloe
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09-25-2007, 4:12 PM |
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When I lived in Florida, there was a young man from my neighborhood who went to the Sanford Teen Challenge. He stayed 11 days. He said that it reminded him of the movie, "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest."
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10-01-2007, 9:23 AM |
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jusomeguy
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Hmmm...I dated a woman whose daughter and the daughter's boyfriend finally went into the program with Teen Challenge. They returned clean and ready to get real with their lives. To my knowledge-it's been two years-they are still walking a straight line. I heard a similar gripe from a hyper-religious friend when another life-long pal went through AA after losing his wife, daughter, home and lots of friends to methamphetamine. He griped that our pal wasn't a true Christian. I told him that he should be encouraging no matter what it took to get our pal to clean up.
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10-09-2007, 11:57 AM |
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Macksfield
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It appears some would attempt to have us believe a theory that suggests we cannot believe what we see and others experience. Regardless of the fact, there are literally thousands of lives that have been re-established due to the Teen Challenge program, we should just pretend those facts never transpired and ahere to the deep dark Teen Challenge for money theory.
68% success rate vs a claimed 86% success rate? Maybe we should be comparing the 68% success rate to any goverment rehab program in existence. That would be more realistic. How about 68% Teen Challenge success rate vs. 3-4% government rehab success rate.
Kind of like the old saying, "Reality is the murder of a beautiful theory by a gang of ugly facts".
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10-09-2007, 12:35 PM |
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john_burns_sucks
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Re: Teen Challenge Exposed!
That 68% was at that particular time. No one knows whether they were high a week before or a week after. Teen Challenge does not include those who drop out of the program in their failure rates; government rehabs do. This explains the big difference in "success" rates. When judged the same as other rehabs, Teen Challenge's honest rate of success is about 5%, virtually the same as everyone else's.
Schools that have these suddenly fantastic success rates do so because they fudge numbers and do not include those that drop out. This is why the "Houston Miracle" turned out to be nothing more than a myth. Teen Challenge does the same thing. In the Tennessee study, those graduates who were tested were those whose names were supplied by Teen Challenge - obviously graduates who TC was sure were clean - and 32% of those failed.
If someone were to merely tell me about Teen Challenge, I might be skeptical, too. Actually being there gives one a completely different perspective. It's like someone telling you about walking along a hiking trail and coming across a dead body. If you were the one who found the body, it would affect you much differently than merely being told about it.
Michael Kincheloe
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10-21-2007, 11:20 AM |
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Semper Fi
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I've also heard horror stories about this...one person re-violated his parole just to get away from them..now thats trippy... Lingtaowoo
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10-21-2007, 9:43 PM |
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john_burns_sucks
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Semper Fi:I've also heard horror stories about this...one person re-violated his parole just to get away from them..now thats trippy... Lingtaowoo
It also makes perfect sense. Shafter is especially bad, and Riverside is only marginally better. One thing that kept me going that entire year was knowing I'd get the chance to expose them to the rest of the world. Even I've been surprised at the response; I talked to a TV reporter in Florida last week who read my website. He's doing an investigation on Teen Challenge and their violation of the labor laws. I've had emails from all over the country, as well as from the UK and Australia from people who had no idea what really went on at TC. They only saw the spit-and-polish facade Teen Challenge puts up. This site is working.
Michael Kincheloe
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10-24-2007, 10:44 AM |
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Semper Fi
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You know that there must be something to this if a person would choose prison over T.C....I think a little more 'digging' would be in order... Of course,thats just my opinion
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