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"Gay" marriage

Last post 06-04-2008, 7:39 PM by john_burns_sucks. 4 replies.
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  •  06-03-2008, 11:01 AM 3072232

    "Gay" marriage

    Marriage is a religious institution, eg. the phrase "What God has joined together let no man rend asunder."  On the other hand, the state has an interest in the legal, social, and economic ramifications of committed coupling.  This creates a classic example of tension between the constitutional guarantee of the separation of church and state and the needs of a regulated society.

    That tension has been publicized recently by the court overthrow of California's ban on same-sex marriages.  Religious people feel this is a fundamental threat to the "sanctity" and meaning of marriage.  Indeed the Bible describes marriage as a God-ratified union between man and wife.

    Since marriage is essentially a religious function the state has no business defining, controlling, authorizing, or forbidding it.  All these functions should be under the control of the varied panoply of religious institutions, each having its own definitions on the nature of marriage.

    On the other hand, regulation of family unions has extensive elements over which the state has legitimate interest and control.  Exemplary issues include property ownership, legal and material issues regarding members of that social entity, issues of inheritance, medical authorizations, etc.

    There is a way to preserve the essentially religious definitions of marriage and still meet all the legitimate interests of governmnet.  Simply replace every legal reference to marriage with "civil union."  This distinction allows every church to define marriage on its own terms.  At the same time it allows the state to recognize and extend equal privileges to any group wishing to be legally and socially joined together.  Separate laws will not then be needed to account for the variety of human couplings, and all such couplings will be extended equal rights and privileges so long as they have filed and ratified the essential government papers and conditions.

    The Bible says "there is a friend that sticketh closer than a brother."  Such associations will be equally sanctioned along with those involving copulation.  Why can't the churches and politicians get behind such a proposition instead of creating division and dissent with this back and forth struggle over the banning and permitting of same-sex marriages?

  •  06-03-2008, 1:34 PM 3073101 in reply to 3072232

    Re: "Gay" marriage

    Regardless of argument or court deliberation, this Nov. the voters will reassert their social standards, probably by about 2/3 majority. I will be voting in favor of the ammendment simply because we have our hands full with illegal aliens crossing the border. I don't want to open the floodgates for every sex deviate in the country as well.
  •  06-03-2008, 11:41 PM 3076221 in reply to 3072232

    Re: "Gay" marriage

    Marriage is a civil union between people in accordance with the laws of that particular state. It has no religious significance whatsoever, legally speaking; what the Bible describes it as doesn’t mean squat. The Bible is no more than a collection of Hebraic and Christian mythological stories; it is not admissible in any U.S. court, and rightly so.

    Just because a couple gets married in a church doesn’t mean theirs is a Christian marriage. Many couples get married in churches because they’re a convenient place to do so; there is plenty of seating for the guests, and churches usually have parish halls, etc. that are available to be used for the reception if so desired. Any minister that performs a marriage must be fully ordained by the state; a marriage performed by a so-called “lay” minister is absolutely worthless.

    “God-ratified unions” can’t mean much; there is a higher divorce rate in the U.S. among Christian couples than there is among non-Christian couples.* This is generally because while the Christian couple is praying, the non-Christian couple is taking the steps to resolve the problems in their marriage. Prayers don’t buy potatoes, and they don’t heal marriages.

    I’d suggest that you take a class in Constitutional Law; I already have, as you more than likely have guessed by now. The U.S. Constitution is the supreme law of this land; the Bible has no legal significance whatsoever.

    *Divorce rates among conservative Christians were significantly higher than for other faith groups, and much higher than Atheists and Agnostics experience. (see link)

    http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_dira.htm


    Michael Kincheloe
  •  06-04-2008, 11:31 AM 3077901 in reply to 3076221

    Re: "Gay" marriage

    Some states sanction common law marriage; California does not. The gay marriage issue and the up coming ballot is about the definition of marriage. Otherwise, I could join a lunatic religious sect that calls child rape marriage. I could have plural wives; I could marry my cat. There are enough voters who feel the definition of marriage should be defined by law. Their motives for voting are not a matter of Constitutional law. Not yet, anyway.

  •  06-04-2008, 7:39 PM 3079808 in reply to 3077901

    Re: "Gay" marriage

    The result of those motives is subject to constitutional law. The voters can pass an initiative to amend the state constitution by banning gay marriage, and the Supreme Court of California can rule that such an amendment is unconstitutional.
    Michael Kincheloe
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